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well if u put into context  Electoral commission own Voters register . it seems to be a noble idea but if one seats down and wonders why the National ID project never took off why the  Voters register for the electoral Commission is always disputed  it begs the question whether this project by the NRM will last the test of time. If it the powers that be feel it is not worth the political risk then its just another merry Go Round.
Reagrds Hillary 










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From: Esther Nakkazi <nakkazie@yahoo.com>
Subject: [i-network] NRM electronic registration
To: "I-Network Uganda" <i-network@dgroups.org>
Date: Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 4:22 AM

Thanks all, for your great responses on sms and PLE results. Another issue i would like to get your views on is the NRM electronic voters register. Who knows the brain behind the application? They say it is IUIU, any ideas?  If we have only the NRM registering its party members what happens to other parties?Will it avoid multiple registration?What other advantages or disadvantages do you see as the IT community for this electronic register?  How does this fit into the national ID project?
Thanks, Esther Esther Nakkazi
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Uganda, EastAfrica.
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posted 20 January 2010 by Byamah Hillary from email

NRM e-Voters registers is typical of the African mosaic or what you will call the organic way of doing things. If an e-Voters register solves internal problems with in the NRM Party then by default the solutions can apply to the entire National Voter's Register. The question is why this makes a lot of news if it cannot be extended to the wider national electoral process?



The last attempt was a cabinet proposal in parliament that $30m be handed to the electoral commission to do the National ID Project from which a voter's register would be extracted. The President had been mis-advised by some handlers that actually these are one and the same and he backed the proposal. On the floor of parliament sometime last year this proposal was rejected with many obvious questions with respect to mandate, magnitude of project and the security jurisdiction under which the National ID Project lies vis-à-vis the Electoral Commission and the voter's register.



The National ID Databank has serious implications from a national security, economic and political perspective as any attempts to digitalize public governance will expose the mushrooming criminal networks going by the Vice President's revelation of a mafia cliques in government. The deliberate delay of the National ID System therefore is purely political as the progressives' turf it out with the old guards who still enjoy the benefits that accrue from an organic development process as it is in Uganda today. It explains the somber mood at the "completion" of the First Phase of the National Fiber Backbone Project that had more questions than answers. It is reason the Parliamentary Committee on ICT and the public are not sure whether the second phase of the Project has started or not. It explains why after MoICT asserts that the first phase of the project has been successfully completed, the public and parliament do not see the deliverables just as yet. It is typical of the "valley dams" scenario where the former VP asked parliamentarians why they can't see the valley dams when indeed they were standing on them.



The circus continues organically and amidst all this chaos something good seems to keep Ugandans matching on with their lives.



Shaka





________________________________

From: Elijah Tumusiime [mailto:tmu03@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 7:46 AM
To: I-Network Uganda
Subject: [i-network] NRM electronic registration




Let's start small at the party level,then we can grow big at the Electoral Commision level. I belive if a party can successfuly have an electronic register,this will give a clear direction to the electoral commision.

--- On Wed, 1/20/10, Esther Nakkazi <nakkazie@yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Esther Nakkazi <nakkazie@yahoo.com>
Subject: [i-network] NRM electronic registration
To: "I-Network Uganda" <i-network@dgroups.org>
Date: Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 4:22 AM

Thanks all, for your great responses on sms and PLE results. Another issue i would like to get your views on is the NRM electronic voters register. Who knows the brain behind the application? They say it is IUIU, any ideas?

If we have only the NRM registering its party members what happens to other parties?

Will it avoid multiple registration?

What other advantages or disadvantages do you see as the IT community for this electronic register?

How does this fit into the national ID project?



Thanks,

Esther



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Science Reporter, Researcher, Trainer
Uganda, EastAfrica.
Freelance journalist based at The EastAfrican newspaper.
nakkazie@yahoo.com, estanakkazi@gmail.com
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posted 21 January 2010 by Shaka Robert from email

Brian that's what I call the African Mossaic.



________________________________

From: Brian Ssennoga [mailto:bssennoga@chs.mak.ac.ug]
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 9:38 AM
To: I-Network Uganda
Subject: [i-network] NRM electronic registration Vs National ID



Elijah said, "Let's start small at the party level, then we can grow big
at the Electoral Commission level. I believe if a party can successfully
have an electronic register, this will give a clear direction to the
electoral commission. "



Start small???

At the party level?

If this were the case, then y not start small, at the SMALLEST PARTY?
Anyway, here is a situation to ponder...



Pregnant Mother enters a Government Health Facility, gets registered,
and gets a unique ID number. She moves onto Antenatal Care, where she
gets an ANC Number. She will use this number for her subsequent visits
to the ANC Clinic, until she delivers. She is, for now asked to go to
the Lab to take a number of mandatory tests [HIV, Urine, and others].
She gets a Lab number; this will be used to identify her results. She
leaves the facility with 3 IDs, all capturing details about her.



She goes to mandatory Tetanus Toxoid Immunization, where she gets a TT
Number.



She comes back, after 4 days, with a fever, gets a new ID number at
reception. She goes to ANC clinic, uses her ANC Number, to get a
prescription, which she takes to Pharmacy to get drugs. Pharmacy belongs
to Outpatient Department (OPD), so while there, she gets a new OPD
number.



After a month, she gets an opportunity to buy a car, so Face Technology
gives her a Permit Number AND [4d-on yo permit- ID Number], which she
can only secure after getting a TIN Number, from URA. She runs into a
Boda Boda, and when she goes to Police, Police uses the Permit Number
(which looks different on both sides of the driving permit- yes, go on,
check item 5 and flip the permit).



When she gets into labor, and gets admitted, she will become an
In-patient, and as such get an IPD (Inpatient Department) Number, for
the duration of her admission. The baby has no idea, how many Ids they
are about to inherit in this country



After she delivers, she takes a flight to the UK. Along the way,
passport office gives her a B******* number, which is meant to uniquely
Identify her. She can use this to go anywhere in the country.



If this lady has been thru a decent job, NSSF will have given her a SSN.



And if all these apply, she is probably old enough to vote, and as such
has a Voter Number as Well!!!!



So far, they are: 12 Ids... Yes, a dozen of them!



So really, I find it literary DISGUSTING (excuse the language, read the
feeling) that NRM thinks, they should foil the National ID project, and
turn around and say they have enough money and skill to do electronic
registration in the party.

This country needs someone to start CARING....





Brian Ssennoga | Technical Officer,

Uganda Chartered HealthNet,

Suite 11, 2nd Floor, Clinical Research Building.

College of Health Sciences.

Mulago, Kampala.



gtalk: b.ssennoga skype: bssennoga



________________________________

From: Elijah Tumusiime [mailto:tmu03@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 7:46 AM
To: I-Network Uganda
Subject: [i-network] NRM electronic registration




Let's start small at the party level,then we can grow big at the
Electoral Commision level. I belive if a party can successfuly have an
electronic register,this will give a clear direction to the electoral
commision.

--- On Wed, 1/20/10, Esther Nakkazi <nakkazie@yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Esther Nakkazi <nakkazie@yahoo.com>
Subject: [i-network] NRM electronic registration
To: "I-Network Uganda" <i-network@dgroups.org>
Date: Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 4:22 AM

Thanks all, for your great responses on sms and PLE results. Another
issue i would like to get your views on is the NRM electronic voters
register. Who knows the brain behind the application? They say it is
IUIU, any ideas?

If we have only the NRM registering its party members what happens to
other parties?

Will it avoid multiple registration?

What other advantages or disadvantages do you see as the IT community
for this electronic register?

How does this fit into the national ID project?



Thanks,

Esther



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Science Reporter, Researcher, Trainer
Uganda, EastAfrica.
Freelance journalist based at The EastAfrican newspaper.
nakkazie@yahoo.com, estanakkazi@gmail.com
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posted 21 January 2010 by Shaka Robert from email

Hi,

I would think that NRM is trying to gauge its numbers online as opposed to
registering voters online. Plus may be devise ways of campaigning online.

Remember the greatest attacks on the NRM last campaign season came from
online resources e.g Radio Katwe.

Regards,

Arnold

P.S. IRI has a political parties resource i.e. www.parties.ug for Uganda.

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 9:38 AM, Brian Ssennoga <bssennoga@chs.mak.ac.ug>wrote:

> Elijah said, “Let's start small at the party level, then we can grow big
> at the Electoral Commission level. I believe if a party can successfully
> have an electronic register, this will give a clear direction to the
> electoral commission. ”
>
>
>
> Start small???
>
> At the party level?
>
> If this were the case, then y not start small, at the SMALLEST PARTY?
> Anyway, here is a situation to ponder…
>
>
>
> Pregnant Mother enters a Government Health Facility, gets registered, and
> gets a unique ID number. She moves onto Antenatal Care, where she gets an
> ANC Number. She will use this number for her subsequent visits to the ANC
> Clinic, until she delivers. She is, for now asked to go to the Lab to take a
> number of mandatory tests [HIV, Urine, and others]. She gets a Lab number;
> this will be used to identify her results. She leaves the facility with 3
> IDs, all capturing details about her.
>
>
>
> She goes to mandatory Tetanus Toxoid Immunization, where she gets a TT
> Number.
>
>
>
> She comes back, after 4 days, with a fever, gets a new ID number at
> reception. She goes to ANC clinic, uses her ANC Number, to get a
> prescription, which she takes to Pharmacy to get drugs. Pharmacy belongs to
> Outpatient Department (OPD), so while there, she gets a new OPD number.
>
>
>
> After a month, she gets an opportunity to buy a car, so Face Technology
> gives her a Permit Number AND [4d-on yo permit- ID Number], which she can
> only secure after getting a TIN Number, from URA. She runs into a Boda Boda,
> and when she goes to Police, Police uses the Permit Number (which looks
> different on both sides of the driving permit- yes, go on, check item 5 and
> flip the permit).
>
>
>
> When she gets into labor, and gets admitted, she will become an In-patient,
> and as such get an IPD (Inpatient Department) Number, for the duration of
> her admission. The baby has no idea, how many Ids they are about to inherit
> in this country
>
>
>
> After she delivers, she takes a flight to the UK. Along the way, passport
> office gives her a B******* number, which is meant to uniquely Identify her.
> She can use this to go anywhere in the country.
>
>
>
> If this lady has been thru a decent job, NSSF will have given her a SSN.
>
>
>
> And if all these apply, she is probably old enough to vote, and as such has
> a Voter Number as Well!!!!
>
>
>
> So far, they are: 12 Ids… Yes, a dozen of them!
>
>
>
> So really, I find it literary DISGUSTING (excuse the language, read the
> feeling) that NRM thinks, they should foil the National ID project, and turn
> around and say they have enough money and skill to do electronic
> registration in the party.
>
> This country needs someone to start CARING….
>
>
>
>
>
> *Brian Ssennoga | **Technical Officer,*
>
> Uganda Chartered HealthNet,
>
> Suite 11, 2nd Floor, Clinical Research Building.
>
> College of Health Sciences.
>
> Mulago, Kampala.
>
>
>
> *gtalk: b.ssennoga skype: bssennoga*
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* Elijah Tumusiime [mailto:tmu03@yahoo.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 21, 2010 7:46 AM
> *To:* I-Network Uganda
> *Subject:* [i-network] NRM electronic registration
>
>
>
>
> Let's start small at the party level,then we can grow big at the Electoral
> Commision level. I belive if a party can successfuly have an electronic
> register,this will give a clear direction to the electoral commision.
>
> --- On *Wed, 1/20/10, Esther Nakkazi <nakkazie@yahoo.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Esther Nakkazi <nakkazie@yahoo.com>
> Subject: [i-network] NRM electronic registration
> To: "I-Network Uganda" <i-network@dgroups.org>
> Date: Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 4:22 AM
>
> Thanks all, for your great responses on sms and PLE results. Another issue
> i would like to get your views on is the NRM electronic voters register. Who
> knows the brain behind the application? They say it is IUIU, any ideas?
>
> If we have only the NRM registering its party members what happens to other
> parties?
>
> Will it avoid multiple registration?
>
> What other advantages or disadvantages do you see as the IT community for
> this electronic register?
>
> How does this fit into the national ID project?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Esther
>
>
>
> Esther Nakkazi
> Science Reporter, Researcher, Trainer
> Uganda, EastAfrica.
> Freelance journalist based at The EastAfrican newspaper.
> nakkazie@yahoo.com, estanakkazi@gmail.com
> estanakkazi.blogspot.com
> twitter:@Nakkazi
> +256772491950
>
>
>
>
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posted 21 January 2010 by Arnold Sentuwa Luwugge from email

Hey Brian, thats brilliant enough.
u have summarised the whole database, its just a matter of funding&hey within a year we can succesfully have a National ID system.
And this can be a foundation to so many good things like Physical addresses&zipcodes initially starting with the cities then later spreads all over the coners of the country.
May be we need a more IT intuitive minister for ICTs.








--- On Thu, 1/21/10, Shaka Robert <Zyz0@ug.cdc.gov> wrote:


From: Shaka Robert <Zyz0@ug.cdc.gov>
Subject: [i-network] RE: NRM electronic registration Vs National ID
To: "I-Network Uganda" <i-network@dgroups.org>
Date: Thursday, January 21, 2010, 1:41 AM








Brian that’s what I call the African Mossaic.
 




From: Brian Ssennoga [mailto:bssennoga@chs.mak.ac.ug]
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 9:38 AM
To: I-Network Uganda
Subject: [i-network] NRM electronic registration Vs National ID
 
Elijah said, “Let's start small at the party level, then we can grow big at the Electoral Commission level. I believe if a party can successfully have an electronic register, this will give a clear direction to the electoral commission. ”
 
Start small???
At the party level?
If this were the case, then y not start small, at the SMALLEST PARTY? Anyway, here is a situation to ponder…
 
Pregnant Mother enters a Government Health Facility, gets registered, and gets a unique ID number. She moves onto Antenatal Care, where she gets an ANC Number. She will use this number for her subsequent visits to the ANC Clinic, until she delivers. She is, for now asked to go to the Lab to take a number of mandatory tests [HIV, Urine, and others]. She gets a Lab number; this will be used to identify her results. She leaves the facility with 3 IDs, all capturing details about her.
 
She goes to mandatory Tetanus Toxoid Immunization, where she gets a TT Number.
 
She comes back, after 4 days, with a fever, gets a new ID number at reception. She goes to ANC clinic, uses her ANC Number, to get a prescription, which she takes to Pharmacy to get drugs. Pharmacy belongs to Outpatient Department (OPD), so while there, she gets a new OPD number.
 
After a month, she gets an opportunity to buy a car, so Face Technology gives her a Permit Number AND [4d-on yo permit- ID Number], which she can only secure after getting a TIN Number, from URA. She runs into a Boda Boda, and when she goes to Police, Police uses the Permit Number (which looks different on both sides of the driving permit- yes, go on, check item 5 and flip the permit).
 
When she gets into labor, and gets admitted, she will become an In-patient, and as such get an IPD (Inpatient Department) Number, for the duration of her admission. The baby has no idea, how many Ids they are about to inherit in this country
 
After she delivers, she takes a flight to the UK . Along the way, passport office gives her a B******* number, which is meant to uniquely Identify her. She can use this to go anywhere in the country.
 
If this lady has been thru a decent job, NSSF will have given her a SSN.
 
And if all these apply, she is probably old enough to vote, and as such has a Voter Number as Well!!!!
 
So far, they are: 12 Ids… Yes, a dozen of them!
 
So really, I find it literary DISGUSTING (excuse the language, read the feeling) that NRM thinks, they should foil the National ID project, and turn around and say they have enough money and skill to do electronic registration in the party.
This country needs someone to start CARING….
 
 

Brian Ssennoga | Technical Officer,
Uganda Chartered HealthNet,
Suite 11, 2nd Floor, Clinical Research Building .
College of Health Sciences.
Mulago, Kampala .
 
gtalk: b.ssennoga skype: bssennoga
 




From: Elijah Tumusiime [mailto:tmu03@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 7:46 AM
To: I-Network Uganda
Subject: [i-network] NRM electronic registration
 





Let's start small at the party level,then we can grow big at the Electoral Commision level. I belive if a party can successfuly have an electronic register,this will give a clear direction to the electoral commision.

--- On Wed, 1/20/10, Esther Nakkazi <nakkazie@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Esther Nakkazi <nakkazie@yahoo.com>
Subject: [i-network] NRM electronic registration
To: " I-Network Uganda " < i-network@dgroups.org >
Date: Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 4:22 AM




Thanks all, for your great responses on sms and PLE results. Another issue i would like to get your views on is the NRM electronic voters register. Who knows the brain behind the application? They say it is IUIU, any ideas?  

If we have only the NRM registering its party members what happens to other parties?

Will it avoid multiple registration?

What other advantages or disadvantages do you see as the IT community for this electronic register?  

How does this fit into the national ID project?

 

Thanks, 

Esther
 
Esther Nakkazi
Science Reporter, Researcher, Trainer
Uganda , EastAfrica.
Freelance journalist based at The EastAfrican newspaper.
nakkazie@yahoo.com, estanakkazi@gmail.com
estanakkazi.blogspot.com
twitter:@Nakkazi
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posted 21 January 2010 by Charles Ddamba from email

Hi Elijah
i think we have enough lessons to learn from like the Driving permit, NSSF, voters card deployments,in my opinoin the Passport and driving permit databases are already covering alot of reliable information, only that they cover a small part of the population, but can easiley be scaled to cover the entire base.

I have heard stories of people being grabbed at the airport due to "altered" passports where one changes the photo in the passport but leaves the original names, by looking at the face in the passport and comparing it with the face of the holder, the immigration officers are able to identify these cases, what this tells me is that the immigration database seems to be getting very authentic and could be a reliable foundation to build the national ID from, there is really no reason to delay the national ID project if the key stake holders give it thorough thought and planning. The NRM project is really unneccesary from a national perspective and seems to be a case of wrong priorities as these funds could have been ploughed into the national ID project which would serve the same purpose
 Regards


SB
Kampala




________________________________
From: Elijah Tumusiime <tmu03@yahoo.com>
To: I-Network Uganda <i-network@dgroups.org>
Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 8:43:58 AM
Subject: [i-network] NRM electronic registration Vs National ID


I totally agree with you. However we may only move by learning from such projects,otherwise we may never start the national ID project.Anyway my thoughts.

--- On Wed, 1/20/10, Brian Ssennoga <bssennoga@chs.mak.ac.ug> wrote:


>From: Brian Ssennoga <bssennoga@chs.mak.ac.ug>
>Subject: [i-network] NRM electronic registration Vs National ID
>To: "I-Network Uganda" <i-network@dgroups.org>
>Date: Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 10:37 PM
>
>
>Elijah said, “Let's start small at the party level, then we can grow big at the Electoral Commission level. I believe if a party can successfully have an electronic register, this will give a clear direction to the electoral commission.”
> 
>Start small???
>At the party level?
>If this were the case, then y not start small, at the SMALLEST PARTY? Anyway, here is a situation to ponder…
> 
>Pregnant Mother enters a Government Health Facility, gets registered, and gets a unique ID number. She moves onto Antenatal Care, where she gets an ANC Number. She will use this number for her subsequent visits to the ANC Clinic, until she delivers. She is, for now asked to go to the Lab to take a number of mandatory tests [HIV, Urine, and others]. She gets a Lab number; this will be used to identify her results. She leaves the facility with 3 IDs, all capturing details about her.
> 
>She goes to mandatory Tetanus Toxoid Immunization, where she gets a TT Number.
> 
>She comes back, after 4 days, with a fever, gets a new ID number at reception. She goes to ANC clinic, uses her ANC Number, to get a prescription, which she takes to Pharmacy to get drugs. Pharmacy belongs to Outpatient Department (OPD), so while there, she gets a new OPD number.
> 
>After a month, she gets an opportunity to buy a car, so Face Technology gives her a Permit Number AND [4d-on yo permit- ID Number], which she can only secure after getting a TIN Number, from URA. She runs into a Boda Boda, and when she goes to Police, Police uses the Permit Number (which looks different on both sides of the driving permit- yes, go on, check item 5 and flip the permit).
> 
>When she gets into labor, and gets admitted, she will become an In-patient, and as such get an IPD (Inpatient Department) Number, for the duration of her admission. The baby has no idea, how many Ids they are about to inherit in this country
> 
>After she delivers, she takes a flight to the UK . Along the way, passport office gives her a B******* number, which is meant to uniquely Identify her. She can use this to go anywhere in the country.
> 
>If this lady has been thru a decent job, NSSF will have given her a SSN.
> 
>And if all these apply, she is probably old enough to vote, and as such has a Voter Number as Well!!!!
> 
>So far, they are: 12 Ids… Yes, a dozen of them!
> 
>So really, I find it literary DISGUSTING (excuse the language, read the feeling) that NRM thinks, they should foil the National ID project, and turn around and say they have enough money and skill to do electronic registration in the party.
>This country needs someone to start CARING….
> 
> 
>Brian Ssennoga | Technical Officer,
>UgandaChartered HealthNet,
>Suite11, 2nd Floor, Clinical Research Building .
>College of Health Sciences.
>Mulago, Kampala .
> 
>gtalk: b.ssennoga skype: bssennoga
> 
>
________________________________

>From:Elijah Tumusiime [mailto:tmu03@yahoo.com]
>Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 7:46 AM
>To: I-Network Uganda
>Subject: [i-network] NRM electronic registration
> 
>
>Let's start small at the party level,then we can grow big at the Electoral Commision level. I belive if a party can successfuly have an electronic register,this will give a clear direction to the electoral commision.
>
>--- On Wed, 1/20/10, Esther Nakkazi <nakkazie@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>From: Esther Nakkazi <nakkazie@yahoo.com>
>Subject: [i-network] NRM electronic registration
>To: " I-Network Uganda " <i-network@dgroups.org>
>Date: Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 4:22 AM
>Thanks all, for your great responses on sms and PLE results. Another issue i would like to get your views on is the NRM electronic voters register.. Who knows the brain behind the application? They say it is IUIU, any ideas?  
>If we have only the NRM registering its party members what happens to other parties?
>Will it avoid multiple registration?
>What other advantages or disadvantages do you see as the IT community for this electronic register?  
>How does this fit into the national ID project?
> 
>Thanks, 
>Esther
> 
>Esther Nakkazi
>Science Reporter, Researcher, Trainer
>Uganda , EastAfrica.
>Freelance journalist based at The EastAfrican newspaper.
>nakkazie@yahoo.com, estanakkazi@gmail.com
>estanakkazi.blogspot.com
>twitter:@Nakkazi
> +256772491950  +256772491950
> 
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posted 22 January 2010 by Samuel Besweri from email

Hmmmmmmmmmm That is so not Ethical
Oh My Uganda
"man eateth where, He worketh"
God help Us

Douglas A. Musunga
Parliamentary Scorecard Data Team
Africa Leadership Institute
Plot 7, Naguru Hill
Naguru Summit View Road.

Tel: +256782637950

"If Its Not Changing, Perhaps it is Dead"

--- On Fri, 1/22/10, Richard Mubiru <ricmubiru@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Richard Mubiru <ricmubiru@gmail.com>
Subject: [i-network] NRM electronic registration Vs National ID
To: "I-Network Uganda" <i-network@dgroups.org>
Date: Friday, January 22, 2010, 7:44 AM

The way government things is always amazing.

I was once involved in a project that involved digitising all
personell records in a certain ministry. These people already had a
database including all biodata and important details. It was an
application that had been designed using access and vb. They had also
personal files in paper form.

Through "competitive bidding" they hired some indians who designed an
oracle database. I thought the oracle application would just import
from the exisiting datasets but this never happened. They hired data
entry clerks who started from scratch entering data from the existing
paper records. Three years down the road these expatriates are still
working on the project and in the meantime it is the original access
application that is being used.

Later on I learnt that the politician involved had assigned the
project managers to create atleast 50 jobs from this project, and that
all previous personell in the records department be replaced because
they were not experienced in the yet to be acquired system. I also
heard that he had promised his consitituents "jobs for their sons in
kampala"

Atleast I was a beneficiary as I struggled to educate these "data
entry clerks" the difference between a row, a column and a cell

For God and my country

On 1/21/10, Samuel  Besweri <sbesweri@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi Elijah
> i think we have enough lessons to learn from like the Driving permit, NSSF,
> voters card deployments,in my opinoin the Passport and driving permit
> databases are already covering alot of reliable information, only that they
> cover a small part of the population, but can easiley be scaled to cover the
> entire base.
>
> I have heard stories of people being grabbed at the airport due to "altered"
> passports where one changes the photo in the passport but leaves the
> original names, by looking at the face in the passport and comparing it with
> the face of the holder, the immigration officers are able to identify these
> cases, what this tells me is that the immigration database seems to be
> getting very authentic and could be a reliable foundation to build the
> national ID from, there is really no reason to delay the national ID project
> if the key stake holders give it thorough thought and planning. The NRM
> project is really unneccesary from a national perspective and seems to be a
> case of wrong priorities as these funds could have been ploughed into the
> national ID project which would serve the same purpose
>  Regards
>
>
> SB
> Kampala
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Elijah Tumusiime <tmu03@yahoo.com>
> To: I-Network Uganda <i-network@dgroups.org>
> Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 8:43:58 AM
> Subject: [i-network] NRM electronic registration Vs National ID
>
>
> I totally agree with you. However we may only move by learning from such
> projects,otherwise we may never start the national ID project.Anyway my
> thoughts.
>
> --- On Wed, 1/20/10, Brian Ssennoga <bssennoga@chs.mak.ac.ug> wrote:
>
>
>>From: Brian Ssennoga <bssennoga@chs.mak.ac.ug>
>>Subject: [i-network] NRM electronic registration Vs National ID
>>To: "I-Network Uganda" <i-network@dgroups.org>
>>Date: Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 10:37 PM
>>
>>
>>Elijah said, “Let's start small at the party level, then we can grow big at
>> the Electoral Commission level. I believe if a party can successfully have
>> an electronic register, this will give a clear direction to the electoral
>> commission.”
>>
>>Start small???
>>At the party level?
>>If this were the case, then y not start small, at the SMALLEST PARTY?
>> Anyway, here is a situation to ponder…
>>
>>Pregnant Mother enters a Government Health Facility, gets registered, and
>> gets a unique ID number. She moves onto Antenatal Care, where she gets an
>> ANC Number. She will use this number for her subsequent visits to the ANC
>> Clinic, until she delivers. She is, for now asked to go to the Lab to take
>> a number of mandatory tests [HIV, Urine, and others]. She gets a Lab
>> number; this will be used to identify her results. She leaves the facility
>> with 3 IDs, all capturing details about her.
>>
>>She goes to mandatory Tetanus Toxoid Immunization, where she gets a TT
>> Number.
>>
>>She comes back, after 4 days, with a fever, gets a new ID number at
>> reception. She goes to ANC clinic, uses her ANC Number, to get a
>> prescription, which she takes to Pharmacy to get drugs. Pharmacy belongs
>> to Outpatient Department (OPD), so while there, she gets a new OPD number.
>>
>>
>>After a month, she gets an opportunity to buy a car, so Face Technology
>> gives her a Permit Number AND [4d-on yo permit- ID Number], which she can
>> only secure after getting a TIN Number, from URA. She runs into a Boda
>> Boda, and when she goes to Police, Police uses the Permit Number (which
>> looks different on both sides of the driving permit- yes, go on, check
>> item 5 and flip the permit).
>>
>>When she gets into labor, and gets admitted, she will become an In-patient,
>> and as such get an IPD (Inpatient Department) Number, for the duration of
>> her admission. The baby has no idea, how many Ids they are about to
>> inherit in this country
>>
>>After she delivers, she takes a flight to the UK . Along the way, passport
>> office gives her a B******* number, which is meant to uniquely Identify
>> her. She can use this to go anywhere in the country.
>>
>>If this lady has been thru a decent job, NSSF will have given her a SSN.
>>
>>And if all these apply, she is probably old enough to vote, and as such has
>> a Voter Number as Well!!!!
>>
>>So far, they are: 12 Ids… Yes, a dozen of them!
>>
>>So really, I find it literary DISGUSTING (excuse the language, read the
>> feeling) that NRM thinks, they should foil the National ID project, and
>> turn around and say they have enough money and skill to do electronic
>> registration in the party.
>>This country needs someone to start CARING….
>>
>>
>>Brian Ssennoga | Technical Officer,
>>UgandaChartered HealthNet,
>>Suite11, 2nd Floor, Clinical Research Building .
>>College of Health Sciences.
>>Mulago, Kampala .
>>
>>gtalk: b.ssennoga skype: bssennoga
>>
>>
> ________________________________
>
>>From:Elijah Tumusiime [mailto:tmu03@yahoo.com]
>>Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 7:46 AM
>>To: I-Network Uganda
>>Subject: [i-network] NRM electronic registration
>>
>>
>>Let's start small at the party level,then we can grow big at the Electoral
>> Commision level. I belive if a party can successfuly have an electronic
>> register,this will give a clear direction to the electoral commision.
>>
>>--- On Wed, 1/20/10, Esther Nakkazi <nakkazie@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>From: Esther Nakkazi <nakkazie@yahoo.com>
>>Subject: [i-network] NRM electronic registration
>>To: " I-Network Uganda " <i-network@dgroups.org>
>>Date: Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 4:22 AM
>>Thanks all, for your great responses on sms and PLE results. Another issue
>> i would like to get your views on is the NRM electronic voters register..
>> Who knows the brain behind the application? They say it is IUIU, any
>> ideas?
>>If we have only the NRM registering its party members what happens to other
>> parties?
>>Will it avoid multiple registration?
>>What other advantages or disadvantages do you see as the IT community for
>> this electronic register?
>>How does this fit into the national ID project?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Esther
>>
>>Esther Nakkazi
>>Science Reporter, Researcher, Trainer
>>Uganda , EastAfrica.
>>Freelance journalist based at The EastAfrican newspaper.
>>nakkazie@yahoo.com, estanakkazi@gmail.com
>>estanakkazi.blogspot.com
>>twitter:@Nakkazi
>> +256772491950  +256772491950
>>
>>
>>
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posted 22 January 2010 by Douglas A. Musunga from email

That is a clear indication of who the problem is. You and not the system.

If you knew that there was no need to duplicate work done way back why did
you not say so then?

Let me assume that you did raise the matter to them, why have you not
indicated that fact in the whistle?

I suggest in future you also tell the whole world in detail who you have
what for and what you have achieved. It may actually help your CV as writing
that you are political parasite will not do anyone any good at this stage.
Even the politician who you have stated must be wondering why he engaged you
on his job making scheme. He must be contemplating how to make sure that
next time his job scheme is not sabotaged in this way.

Cheers bro

Tom




-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Mubiru [mailto:ricmubiru@gmail.com]
Sent: 22 January 2010 18:45
To: I-Network Uganda
Subject: [i-network] NRM electronic registration Vs National ID

The way government things is always amazing.

I was once involved in a project that involved digitising all
personell records in a certain ministry. These people already had a
database including all biodata and important details. It was an
application that had been designed using access and vb. They had also
personal files in paper form.

Through "competitive bidding" they hired some indians who designed an
oracle database. I thought the oracle application would just import
from the exisiting datasets but this never happened. They hired data
entry clerks who started from scratch entering data from the existing
paper records. Three years down the road these expatriates are still
working on the project and in the meantime it is the original access
application that is being used.

Later on I learnt that the politician involved had assigned the
project managers to create atleast 50 jobs from this project, and that
all previous personell in the records department be replaced because
they were not experienced in the yet to be acquired system. I also
heard that he had promised his consitituents "jobs for their sons in
kampala"

Atleast I was a beneficiary as I struggled to educate these "data
entry clerks" the difference between a row, a column and a cell

For God and my country

On 1/21/10, Samuel Besweri <sbesweri@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi Elijah
> i think we have enough lessons to learn from like the Driving permit,
NSSF,
> voters card deployments,in my opinoin the Passport and driving permit
> databases are already covering alot of reliable information, only that
they
> cover a small part of the population, but can easiley be scaled to cover
the
> entire base.
>
> I have heard stories of people being grabbed at the airport due to
"altered"
> passports where one changes the photo in the passport but leaves the
> original names, by looking at the face in the passport and comparing it
with
> the face of the holder, the immigration officers are able to identify
these
> cases, what this tells me is that the immigration database seems to be
> getting very authentic and could be a reliable foundation to build the
> national ID from, there is really no reason to delay the national ID
project
> if the key stake holders give it thorough thought and planning. The NRM
> project is really unneccesary from a national perspective and seems to be
a
> case of wrong priorities as these funds could have been ploughed into the
> national ID project which would serve the same purpose
> Regards
>
>
> SB
> Kampala
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Elijah Tumusiime <tmu03@yahoo.com>
> To: I-Network Uganda <i-network@dgroups.org>
> Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 8:43:58 AM
> Subject: [i-network] NRM electronic registration Vs National ID
>
>
> I totally agree with you. However we may only move by learning from such
> projects,otherwise we may never start the national ID project.Anyway my
> thoughts.
>
> --- On Wed, 1/20/10, Brian Ssennoga <bssennoga@chs.mak.ac.ug> wrote:
>
>
>>From: Brian Ssennoga <bssennoga@chs.mak.ac.ug>
>>Subject: [i-network] NRM electronic registration Vs National ID
>>To: "I-Network Uganda" <i-network@dgroups.org>
>>Date: Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 10:37 PM
>>
>>
>>Elijah said, "Let's start small at the party level, then we can grow big
at
>> the Electoral Commission level. I believe if a party can successfully
have
>> an electronic register, this will give a clear direction to the electoral
>> commission."
>>
>>Start small???
>>At the party level?
>>If this were the case, then y not start small, at the SMALLEST PARTY?
>> Anyway, here is a situation to ponder.
>>
>>Pregnant Mother enters a Government Health Facility, gets registered, and
>> gets a unique ID number. She moves onto Antenatal Care, where she gets an
>> ANC Number. She will use this number for her subsequent visits to the ANC
>> Clinic, until she delivers. She is, for now asked to go to the Lab to
take
>> a number of mandatory tests [HIV, Urine, and others]. She gets a Lab
>> number; this will be used to identify her results. She leaves the
facility
>> with 3 IDs, all capturing details about her.
>>
>>She goes to mandatory Tetanus Toxoid Immunization, where she gets a TT
>> Number.
>>
>>She comes back, after 4 days, with a fever, gets a new ID number at
>> reception. She goes to ANC clinic, uses her ANC Number, to get a
>> prescription, which she takes to Pharmacy to get drugs. Pharmacy belongs
>> to Outpatient Department (OPD), so while there, she gets a new OPD
number.
>>
>>
>>After a month, she gets an opportunity to buy a car, so Face Technology
>> gives her a Permit Number AND [4d-on yo permit- ID Number], which she can
>> only secure after getting a TIN Number, from URA. She runs into a Boda
>> Boda, and when she goes to Police, Police uses the Permit Number (which
>> looks different on both sides of the driving permit- yes, go on, check
>> item 5 and flip the permit).
>>
>>When she gets into labor, and gets admitted, she will become an
In-patient,
>> and as such get an IPD (Inpatient Department) Number, for the duration of
>> her admission. The baby has no idea, how many Ids they are about to
>> inherit in this country
>>
>>After she delivers, she takes a flight to the UK . Along the way, passport
>> office gives her a B******* number, which is meant to uniquely Identify
>> her. She can use this to go anywhere in the country.
>>
>>If this lady has been thru a decent job, NSSF will have given her a SSN.
>>
>>And if all these apply, she is probably old enough to vote, and as such
has
>> a Voter Number as Well!!!!
>>
>>So far, they are: 12 Ids. Yes, a dozen of them!
>>
>>So really, I find it literary DISGUSTING (excuse the language, read the
>> feeling) that NRM thinks, they should foil the National ID project, and
>> turn around and say they have enough money and skill to do electronic
>> registration in the party.
>>This country needs someone to start CARING..
>>
>>
>>Brian Ssennoga | Technical Officer,
>>UgandaChartered HealthNet,
>>Suite11, 2nd Floor, Clinical Research Building .
>>College of Health Sciences.
>>Mulago, Kampala .
>>
>>gtalk: b.ssennoga skype: bssennoga
>>
>>
> ________________________________
>
>>From:Elijah Tumusiime [mailto:tmu03@yahoo.com]
>>Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 7:46 AM
>>To: I-Network Uganda
>>Subject: [i-network] NRM electronic registration
>>
>>
>>Let's start small at the party level,then we can grow big at the Electoral
>> Commision level. I belive if a party can successfuly have an electronic
>> register,this will give a clear direction to the electoral commision.
>>
>>--- On Wed, 1/20/10, Esther Nakkazi <nakkazie@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>From: Esther Nakkazi <nakkazie@yahoo.com>
>>Subject: [i-network] NRM electronic registration
>>To: " I-Network Uganda " <i-network@dgroups.org>
>>Date: Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 4:22 AM
>>Thanks all, for your great responses on sms and PLE results. Another issue
>> i would like to get your views on is the NRM electronic voters register..
>> Who knows the brain behind the application? They say it is IUIU, any
>> ideas?
>>If we have only the NRM registering its party members what happens to
other
>> parties?
>>Will it avoid multiple registration?
>>What other advantages or disadvantages do you see as the IT community for
>> this electronic register?
>>How does this fit into the national ID project?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Esther
>>
>>Esther Nakkazi
>>Science Reporter, Researcher, Trainer
>>Uganda , EastAfrica.
>>Freelance journalist based at The EastAfrican newspaper.
>>nakkazie@yahoo.com, estanakkazi@gmail.com
>>estanakkazi.blogspot.com
>>twitter:@Nakkazi
>> +256772491950 +256772491950
>>
>>
>>
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posted 29 January 2010 by TOM WABWIRE from email