Hi Douglas,

Perhaps you can post the link to the application, so we can all enjoy?

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Director
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> Am wondering if the person that designed the application for receiving PLE
> Resultsion phone is on this Forum.Though it is mainly useful at a
> particular time of the year i think its a great innovation. So to Who ever
> came up with the Concept Kudos To you. people are s6 excited about the the
> whole concept, many were pessimistic about it but it has turned out great.
> Back in the day when we did our PLE if you wanted to know your results
> fast, you had to know some one in UNEB and that is now History.
>
> Douglas A. Musunga
> Parliamentary Scorecard Data Team
> Africa Leadership Institute
> Plot 7, Naguru Hill
> Naguru Summit View Road.
>
> Tel: +256782637950
>
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posted 20 January 2010 by Reinier Battenberg from email

Hi Douglas,

I wonder what is the policy on Privacy of Information in Uganda.

How private should Examination results be. I believe with enough
airtimeand time I can see each and every ones results from my phone.

Shouldnt the system have some form authentication to prove right this an
authorised person to access these results.

At this rate I see others companies coming in with related systems say
medical information, or Pension funds, Banks etc

What are your thoughts

Regards
Moses




On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Douglas A. Musunga <douggiez@yahoo.com>wrote:

> Am wondering if the person that designed the application for receiving
> PLE Resultsion phone is on this Forum.Though it is mainly useful at a
> particular time of the year i think its a great innovation. So to Who ever
> came up with the Concept Kudos To you.
> people are s6 excited about the the whole concept, many were pessimistic
> about it but it has turned out great. Back in the day when we did our PLE if
> you wanted to know your results fast, you had to know some one in UNEB and
> that is now History.
>
> Douglas A. Musunga
> Parliamentary Scorecard Data Team
> Africa Leadership Institute
> Plot 7, Naguru Hill
> Naguru Summit View Road.
>
> Tel: +256782637950
>
> "If Its Not Changing, Perhaps it is Dead"
>
> Visit the I-Network website - www.i-network.or.ug
>
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posted 20 January 2010 by Billy Moses from email

Reinier,

You can check at SMS Media - http://www.smsmedia.ug/corp/

Go to the services section and you will see the 'UNEB results' article.

Davis



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From: Reinier Battenberg [mailto:reinier.battenberg@mountbatten.net]
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 11:36 AM
To: I-Network Uganda
Subject: [i-network] PLE Results Application

Hi Douglas,

Perhaps you can post the link to the application, so we can all enjoy?

--
rgds,

Reinier Battenberg
Director
Mountbatten Ltd.
+256 782 801 749
www.mountbatten.net




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> Am wondering if the person that designed the application for receiving PLE
> Resultsion phone is on this Forum.Though it is mainly useful at a
> particular time of the year i think its a great innovation. So to Who
ever
> came up with the Concept Kudos To you. people are s6 excited about the
the
> whole concept, many were pessimistic about it but it has turned out
great.
> Back in the day when we did our PLE if you wanted to know your results
> fast, you had to know some one in UNEB and that is now History.
>
> Douglas A. Musunga
> Parliamentary Scorecard Data Team
> Africa Leadership Institute
> Plot 7, Naguru Hill
> Naguru Summit View Road.
>
> Tel: +256782637950
>
> "If Its Not Changing, Perhaps it is Dead"
>
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posted 20 January 2010 by Davis J Weddi from email

Privacy? I believe most schools will pin results up on their noticeboards anyway, so this service is not changing things. Then there is the letter in Monitor today about cost. Which too me demonstrates a serious lack of perspective. 500/- per SMS as opposed to what? Walking to the stage, getting into a taxi to go to your school (at least 500/-), walking the dusty road to the school, standing in the sun at a noticeboard, then boarding taxi back (500/- again). And people are talking about cost?!

Disclosure: The results system was designed by SMS Media AFAIK. I used to work for SMS Media.

P.

On Jan 20, 2010, at 12:05, Billy Moses wrote:

> Hi Douglas,
> I wonder what is the policy on Privacy of Information in Uganda.
> How private should Examination results be. I believe with enough airtimeand time I can see each and every ones results from my phone.
> Shouldnt the system have some form authentication to prove right this an authorised person to access these results.
> At this rate I see others companies coming in with related systems say medical information, or Pension funds, Banks etc
> What are your thoughts
> Regards
> Moses
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Douglas A. Musunga <douggiez@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Am wondering if the person that designed the application for receiving PLE Resultsion phone is on this Forum.Though it is mainly useful at a particular time of the year i think its a great innovation. So to Who ever came up with the Concept Kudos To you.
> people are s6 excited about the the whole concept, many were pessimistic about it but it has turned out great. Back in the day when we did our PLE if you wanted to know your results fast, you had to know some one in UNEB and that is now History.
>
> Douglas A. Musunga
> Parliamentary Scorecard Data Team
> Africa Leadership Institute
> Plot 7, Naguru Hill
> Naguru Summit View Road.
>
> Tel: +256782637950
>
> "If Its Not Changing, Perhaps it is Dead"
>
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posted 20 January 2010 by Paul Bagyenda from email

Hi Stephen,

I have not disputed the great innovation of the systems.

However I believ some people would feel offended to disclose their exams
results just about to everyone at will. Its their right. Authentication is
done by private/secret attribute which is exclusively known by someone. An
index number is not that private. As long as I know the school UNEB
registration number, or if I do some form of social engineering. I would be
able to have all the results of students in that school. So an Index number
cannot provide required privacy authentication. Index numbers are public
information. However results should not overly be public information.

My worry is though, if privacy of information is taken serious what about
organistaion with confidentails information come up such systems that do not
preserve the CIAA of information. What will happen to our records.

I still think some form authentication should have been included eg family
name "Abili", of the student as part of the pull message. Unless you know
the name and Index number of the student you would not be able to access
that student results. Thus reducing the Risk of Exposure of such
Information.

Its most likely that if I know the last name of student, I am related to
that student or I some how know him. Then if I take the touble to get his
Index number then surely I know him to well to get his results. by virtual
of that I am authorised to access his results.

Its about time we started designing systems with secuirty embedded in it.

Regards
Moses








On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Stephen Kasoma <skasoma@gmail.com> wrote:

> This is truly a great step a head. Billy, I doubt if the PLE exams results
> are that private to call for authentication. However, there is still some
> level of authentication at the moment and this is the pupil's index
> number.If you do not know it, you won't get right corresponding results
> (correct if I am wrong)
> Stephen.
>
> On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Billy Moses <abilimb@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Douglas,
>> I wonder what is the policy on Privacy of Information in Uganda.
>> How private should Examination results be. I believe with enough
>> airtimeand time I can see each and every ones results from my phone.
>> Shouldnt the system have some form authentication to prove right this an
>> authorised person to access these results.
>> At this rate I see others companies coming in with related systems say
>> medical information, or Pension funds, Banks etc
>> What are your thoughts
>> Regards
>> Moses
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Douglas A. Musunga <douggiez@yahoo.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Am wondering if the person that designed the application for receiving
>>> PLE Resultsion phone is on this Forum.Though it is mainly useful at a
>>> particular time of the year i think its a great innovation. So to Who ever
>>> came up with the Concept Kudos To you.
>>> people are s6 excited about the the whole concept, many were pessimistic
>>> about it but it has turned out great. Back in the day when we did our PLE if
>>> you wanted to know your results fast, you had to know some one in UNEB and
>>> that is now History.
>>>
>>> Douglas A. Musunga
>>> Parliamentary Scorecard Data Team
>>> Africa Leadership Institute
>>> Plot 7, Naguru Hill
>>> Naguru Summit View Road.
>>>
>>> Tel: +256782637950
>>>
>>> "If Its Not Changing, Perhaps it is Dead"
>>>
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posted 20 January 2010 by Billy Moses from email

Stephen,

Its not hard to get a students index number.

Remember it comprises of a Schools center number plus of course your actual
school number. These numbers are most times issued randomly or according to
the alphabetical order.

Take for instance; U0010/345.

With that code, I can access the results of a Jinja College student without
his permission.

Remember; the list of approved center schools numbers is available online.
http://www.uneb.ac.ug/unebweb09/secondary/uce-uace_centres_2008.doc.pdf

So, I think SMS Media should come up with another vital digit otherwise its
a good project.


Regards


Emmanuel. Wandega


On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Stephen Kasoma <skasoma@gmail.com> wrote:

> This is truly a great step a head. Billy, I doubt if the PLE exams results
> are that private to call for authentication. However, there is still some
> level of authentication at the moment and this is the pupil's index
> number.If you do not know it, you won't get right corresponding results
> (correct if I am wrong)
> Stephen.
>
> On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Billy Moses <abilimb@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Douglas,
>> I wonder what is the policy on Privacy of Information in Uganda.
>> How private should Examination results be. I believe with enough
>> airtimeand time I can see each and every ones results from my phone.
>> Shouldnt the system have some form authentication to prove right this an
>> authorised person to access these results.
>> At this rate I see others companies coming in with related systems say
>> medical information, or Pension funds, Banks etc
>> What are your thoughts
>> Regards
>> Moses
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Douglas A. Musunga <douggiez@yahoo.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Am wondering if the person that designed the application for receiving
>>> PLE Resultsion phone is on this Forum.Though it is mainly useful at a
>>> particular time of the year i think its a great innovation. So to Who ever
>>> came up with the Concept Kudos To you.
>>> people are s6 excited about the the whole concept, many were pessimistic
>>> about it but it has turned out great. Back in the day when we did our PLE if
>>> you wanted to know your results fast, you had to know some one in UNEB and
>>> that is now History.
>>>
>>> Douglas A. Musunga
>>> Parliamentary Scorecard Data Team
>>> Africa Leadership Institute
>>> Plot 7, Naguru Hill
>>> Naguru Summit View Road.
>>>
>>> Tel: +256782637950
>>>
>>> "If Its Not Changing, Perhaps it is Dead"
>>>
>>> Visit the I-Network website - www.i-network.or.ug
>>>
>>> The I-Network Dgroup is a platform for ICT Knowledge Sharing
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posted 20 January 2010 by Emmanuel Wandega from email

But guys, what's all the talk about exposure???

Like we all know, these results r going to be PINNED on nearly every school
notice board in the country.

Should we then begin to debate privacy concerns that come out of pinning to
notice boards?

How then do we explain the press getting their hands on aggregates, down to
a school level? Schools will start to think its wrong for press to know how
many Grade 4's they had.

So then how will MoES release them?



I think the privacy thing is a moral issue. And for that matter, just hope
that there is no real Personal Identity theft resulting from PLE results
being known by a stranger. Secondary Schools & MUK will just have to worry
about how to make sure they can validate results, on certificates n result
slips.



Pay yo 500, get yo results. If getting AbiliU0012/999 from Adjumani is
important to you, then so be it. This service is about those people itching
to know, NOW, their results. U can always wait, n go to your school, where a
teacher who knows you and can verify your identity will release them to you
officially- n regardless of whoever else knows them, only u can prove they r
yours!!! Period!



As for SMS Media, am sure they have a TIN number..



Brian Ssennoga



_____

From: Billy Moses [mailto:abilimb@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 12:41 PM
To: I-Network Uganda
Subject: [i-network] PLE Results Application



Hi Stephen,

I have not disputed the great innovation of the systems.

However I believ some people would feel offended to disclose their exams
results just about to everyone at will. Its their right. Authentication is
done by private/secret attribute which is exclusively known by someone. An
index number is not that private. As long as I know the school UNEB
registration number, or if I do some form of social engineering. I would be
able to have all the results of students in that school. So an Index number
cannot provide required privacy authentication. Index numbers are public
information. However results should not overly be public information.

My worry is though, if privacy of information is taken serious what about
organistaion with confidentails information come up such systems that do not
preserve the CIAA of information. What will happen to our records.

I still think some form authentication should have been included eg family
name "Abili", of the student as part of the pull message. Unless you know
the name and Index number of the student you would not be able to access
that student results. Thus reducing the Risk of Exposure of such
Information.

Its most likely that if I know the last name of student, I am related to
that student or I some how know him. Then if I take the touble to get his
Index number then surely I know him to well to get his results. by virtual
of that I am authorised to access his results.

Its about time we started designing systems with secuirty embedded in it.

Regards

Moses



On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Stephen Kasoma <skasoma@gmail.com> wrote:

This is truly a great step a head. Billy, I doubt if the PLE exams results
are that private to call for authentication. However, there is still some
level of authentication at the moment and this is the pupil's index
number.If you do not know it, you won't get right corresponding results
(correct if I am wrong)
Stephen.

On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Billy Moses <abilimb@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Douglas,

I wonder what is the policy on Privacy of Information in Uganda.

How private should Examination results be. I believe with enough airtimeand
time I can see each and every ones results from my phone.

Shouldnt the system have some form authentication to prove right this an
authorised person to access these results.

At this rate I see others companies coming in with related systems say
medical information, or Pension funds, Banks etc

What are your thoughts

Regards

Moses



On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Douglas A. Musunga <douggiez@yahoo.com>
wrote:


Am wondering if the person that designed the application for receiving PLE
Resultsion phone is on this Forum.Though it is mainly useful at a particular
time of the year i think its a great innovation. So to Who ever came up with
the Concept Kudos To you.
people are s6 excited about the the whole concept, many were pessimistic
about it but it has turned out great. Back in the day when we did our PLE if
you wanted to know your results fast, you had to know some one in UNEB and
that is now History.

Douglas A. Musunga
Parliamentary Scorecard Data Team
Africa Leadership Institute
Plot 7, Naguru Hill
Naguru Summit View Road.

Tel: +256782637950

"If Its Not Changing, Perhaps it is Dead"



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posted 20 January 2010 by Brian Ssennoga from email

Hi Vincent

While i see your point i believe this offers more value than than taking a boder from the Ntinda stage to the UNEB offices or even taking a taxi to get the results from the schools, we should reward the innovation and again i beleive the results are available via the normal process

meanwhile i beleive some premium SMS services even cost more than 500 Ugx, i so happen to be an unfortunate victim of SMS spam form some providers notably from 090X numbers and the per SMS price to these providers is over 500 Ugx
 
Regards


SB
Kampala




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To: I-Network Uganda <i-network@dgroups.org>
Sent: Wed, January 20, 2010 12:10:54 PM
Subject: [i-network] PLE Results Application


SMS media (according to media reports) have done well with this sms results application..

Some thoughts come up though. If all that one needs to do is type the registration number and bingo the results are back. Have issues of privacy been addressed? Are specific phone numbers the only ones allowed to access pupil results?

Then the poor parents that cannot afford a phone and air time bring up two issues.
1. With this innovation, wont they be left behind? Wont the ministry take longer to deliver the results to the schools? After all "you" can get them by sms.

2. Then the sh500 (about US 26cents), though seemingly small is too much for some parents. Why should the service provider charge that much for an sms when they charge telecoms (who are ...m rich) just about Ush100 (US 5.3cents) or a gross of Ush220. What is the rationale?

Vincent





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To: I-Network Uganda <i-network@dgroups.org>
Sent: Wed, January 20, 2010 11:21:26 AM
Subject: [i-network] PLE Results Application


Am wondering if the person that designed the application for receiving PLE Resultsion phone is on this Forum.Though it is mainly useful at a particular time of the year i think its a great innovation. So to Who ever came up with the Concept Kudos To you.
people are s6 excited about the the whole concept, many were pessimistic about it but it has turned out great. Back in the day when we did our PLE if you wanted to know your results fast, you had to know some one in UNEB and that is now History.

Douglas A. Musunga
Parliamentary Scorecard Data Team
Africa Leadership Institute
Plot 7, Naguru Hill
Naguru Summit View Road.

Tel:  +256782637950  +256782637950

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posted 20 January 2010 by Samuel Besweri from email

Hi,

Problem is, people never seem to realise or remember that there are costs
behind such ventures. Capital costs like equipment (hardware and utility
services such as power and connectivity) and then operating costs (mostly
labour). Say the provider earns US$ 25K (as the papers suggest). If a server
was purchased for the project, we're talking of a figure between US$3K and
US20K - can't really tell. If you have two serious developers working on the
app, then thats about US$3000 per month. Sum up the figures and you'll find
out that for the project to work, the business side must make sense. If it
doesn't, then no one will come up with such innovations and we'll continue
boarding buses and walking in the dust...

Of course, in a capitalistic setting, profits are the incentive for
innovation and capitalism beats socialism (for me anyway). Looks like many
of us are socialists at heart though...

Regards,
Emmanuel

On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 12:28 PM, Paul Bagyenda <bagyenda@dsmagic.com>wrote:

>
> Privacy? I believe most schools will pin results up on their noticeboards
> anyway, so this service is not changing things. Then there is the letter in
> Monitor today about cost. Which too me demonstrates a serious lack of
> perspective. 500/- per SMS as opposed to what? Walking to the stage, getting
> into a taxi to go to your school (at least 500/-), walking the dusty road to
> the school, standing in the sun at a noticeboard, then boarding taxi back
> (500/- again). And people are talking about cost?!
>
> Disclosure: The results system was designed by SMS Media AFAIK. I used to
> work for SMS Media.
>
> P.
>
> On Jan 20, 2010, at 12:05, Billy Moses wrote:
>
> Hi Douglas,
> I wonder what is the policy on Privacy of Information in Uganda.
> How private should Examination results be. I believe with enough
> airtimeand time I can see each and every ones results from my phone.
> Shouldnt the system have some form authentication to prove right this an
> authorised person to access these results.
> At this rate I see others companies coming in with related systems say
> medical information, or Pension funds, Banks etc
> What are your thoughts
> Regards
> Moses
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Douglas A. Musunga <douggiez@yahoo.com>wrote:
>
>> Am wondering if the person that designed the application for receiving
>> PLE Resultsion phone is on this Forum.Though it is mainly useful at a
>> particular time of the year i think its a great innovation. So to Who ever
>> came up with the Concept Kudos To you.
>> people are s6 excited about the the whole concept, many were pessimistic
>> about it but it has turned out great. Back in the day when we did our PLE if
>> you wanted to know your results fast, you had to know some one in UNEB and
>> that is now History.
>>
>> Douglas A. Musunga
>> Parliamentary Scorecard Data Team
>> Africa Leadership Institute
>> Plot 7, Naguru Hill
>> Naguru Summit View Road.
>>
>> Tel: +256782637950
>>
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>>
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posted 20 January 2010 by Emmanuel Kwilingira from email

Yes Stephen,

Pinning of results at school notice boards has been an act by most school
ofcourse has not been disputed by any one. But I think some conceeled
sentiments are usually kept. You wouldnot want every one to see your results
if you are the bottom of the list.

Priority is determined by need and knowledge of activity by all
stakeholders.

Ofcourse innovation is change, change from the previous of doing things. I
dont think its right to duplicate a manual procedure to a automated system
yet you can be able to d something about it.

Secondly the information pinned by viewed by a closed scope of people who
are within the domain of people access to information related to that
school. In this case the system is open to every one.

It was not right.

Regards
Moses




On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Stephen Kasoma <skasoma@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks Billy.I do understand your concern and it is valid. I wonder though
> if we are going to stop all schools from pinning up the results lists on the
> school notice boards to ensure privacy as is the case in many.
>
> I do not dispute the need for ensuring privacy but I am saying that some it
> is not priority in cases.
>
> On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 12:41 PM, Billy Moses <abilimb@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Stephen,
>> I have not disputed the great innovation of the systems.
>> However I believ some people would feel offended to disclose their exams
>> results just about to everyone at will. Its their right. Authentication is
>> done by private/secret attribute which is exclusively known by someone. An
>> index number is not that private. As long as I know the school UNEB
>> registration number, or if I do some form of social engineering. I would be
>> able to have all the results of students in that school. So an Index number
>> cannot provide required privacy authentication. Index numbers are public
>> information. However results should not overly be public information.
>> My worry is though, if privacy of information is taken serious what
>> about organistaion with confidentails information come up such systems that
>> do not preserve the CIAA of information. What will happen to our records.
>> I still think some form authentication should have been included eg
>> family name "Abili", of the student as part of the pull message. Unless you
>> know the name and Index number of the student you would not be able to
>> access that student results. Thus reducing the Risk of Exposure of such
>> Information.
>> Its most likely that if I know the last name of student, I am related to
>> that student or I some how know him. Then if I take the touble to get his
>> Index number then surely I know him to well to get his results. by virtual
>> of that I am authorised to access his results.
>> Its about time we started designing systems with secuirty embedded in
>> it.
>> Regards
>> Moses
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Stephen Kasoma <skasoma@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> This is truly a great step a head. Billy, I doubt if the PLE exams
>>> results are that private to call for authentication. However, there is still
>>> some level of authentication at the moment and this is the pupil's index
>>> number.If you do not know it, you won't get right corresponding results
>>> (correct if I am wrong)
>>> Stephen.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Billy Moses <abilimb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Douglas,
>>>> I wonder what is the policy on Privacy of Information in Uganda.
>>>> How private should Examination results be. I believe with enough
>>>> airtimeand time I can see each and every ones results from my phone.
>>>> Shouldnt the system have some form authentication to prove right this
>>>> an authorised person to access these results.
>>>> At this rate I see others companies coming in with related systems say
>>>> medical information, or Pension funds, Banks etc
>>>> What are your thoughts
>>>> Regards
>>>> Moses
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Douglas A. Musunga <
>>>> douggiez@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Am wondering if the person that designed the application for
>>>>> receiving PLE Resultsion phone is on this Forum.Though it is mainly useful
>>>>> at a particular time of the year i think its a great innovation. So to Who
>>>>> ever came up with the Concept Kudos To you.
>>>>> people are s6 excited about the the whole concept, many were
>>>>> pessimistic about it but it has turned out great. Back in the day when we
>>>>> did our PLE if you wanted to know your results fast, you had to know some
>>>>> one in UNEB and that is now History.
>>>>>
>>>>> Douglas A. Musunga
>>>>> Parliamentary Scorecard Data Team
>>>>> Africa Leadership Institute
>>>>> Plot 7, Naguru Hill
>>>>> Naguru Summit View Road.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tel: +256782637950
>>>>>
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>>>>>
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posted 20 January 2010 by Billy Moses from email

Is the cost of building in extra privacy worth the extra price that it would come up to? in my opinion I think not. Most people and students usually want to know as soon as possible what their results are. The details they get into later after the celebrations and tears.

Today's newspapers (daily monitor with a circulation of 30,000 and new vision with a circulation of 30,000 + ) have a list of students and their aggregate result, you actually do not need to spend your airtime to get the results of the students from a particular school.

The issue of privacy is important but I doubt it adds a lot more value to the end user in this case.

regards
Rachael


On Jan 20, 2010, at 12:52 PM, Emmanuel Wandega wrote:

>
> Stephen,
>
> Its not hard to get a students index number.
>
> Remember it comprises of a Schools center number plus of course your actual school number. These numbers are most times issued randomly or according to the alphabetical order.
>
> Take for instance; U0010/345.
>
> With that code, I can access the results of a Jinja College student without his permission.
>
> Remember; the list of approved center schools numbers is available online.
> http://www.uneb.ac.ug/unebweb09/secondary/uce-uace_centres_2008.doc.pdf
>
> So, I think SMS Media should come up with another vital digit otherwise its a good project.
>
>
> Regards
>
>
> Emmanuel. Wandega
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Stephen Kasoma <skasoma@gmail.com> wrote:
> This is truly a great step a head. Billy, I doubt if the PLE exams results are that private to call for authentication. However, there is still some level of authentication at the moment and this is the pupil's index number.If you do not know it, you won't get right corresponding results (correct if I am wrong)
> Stephen.
>
> On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Billy Moses <abilimb@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Douglas,
> I wonder what is the policy on Privacy of Information in Uganda.
> How private should Examination results be. I believe with enough airtimeand time I can see each and every ones results from my phone.
> Shouldnt the system have some form authentication to prove right this an authorised person to access these results.
> At this rate I see others companies coming in with related systems say medical information, or Pension funds, Banks etc
> What are your thoughts
> Regards
> Moses
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Douglas A. Musunga <douggiez@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Am wondering if the person that designed the application for receiving PLE Resultsion phone is on this Forum.Though it is mainly useful at a particular time of the year i think its a great innovation. So to Who ever came up with the Concept Kudos To you.
> people are s6 excited about the the whole concept, many were pessimistic about it but it has turned out great. Back in the day when we did our PLE if you wanted to know your results fast, you had to know some one in UNEB and that is now History.
>
> Douglas A. Musunga
> Parliamentary Scorecard Data Team
> Africa Leadership Institute
> Plot 7, Naguru Hill
> Naguru Summit View Road.
>
> Tel: +256782637950
>
> "If Its Not Changing, Perhaps it is Dead"
>
>
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posted 20 January 2010 by Rachael Kadama from email

Hi Moses
your comments are noted, would like to add that some form of security is built into the system by way of the index number, if ones index number is public then no system can prevent his results from being known by others. If UNEB comes up wiht a more secure identification protocol and sure SMS media shall develop this. And again even if one is at the bottom of the list, its not the end of the world, success in life is about picking oneself from the bottom of the pit and climbing out/moving on, as opposed to remaining in the pit, to my knowlegde one can turn around their academics and overall success in life beyond exam scores
 Regards


SB
Kampala




________________________________
From: Billy Moses <abilimb@gmail.com>
To: I-Network Uganda <i-network@dgroups.org>
Sent: Wed, January 20, 2010 1:08:52 PM
Subject: [i-network] PLE Results Application


Yes Stephen,
Pinning of results at school notice boards has been an act by most school ofcourse has not been disputed by any one. But I think some conceeled sentiments are usually kept. You wouldnot want every one to see your results if you are the bottom of the list.
Priority is determined by need and knowledge of activity by all stakeholders.
Ofcourse innovation is change, change from the previous of doing things. I dont think its right to duplicate a manual procedure to a automated system yet you can be able to d something about it.
Secondly the information pinned by viewed by a closed scope of people who are within the domain of people access to information related to that school. In this case the system is open to every one.
It was not right.
Regards
Moses


On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Stephen Kasoma <skasoma@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks Billy.I do understand your concern and it is valid. I wonder though if we are going to stop all schools from pinning up the results lists on the school notice boards to ensure privacy as is the case in many.
>
>I do not dispute the need for ensuring privacy but I am saying that some it is not priority in cases.
>
>
>On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 12:41 PM, Billy Moses <abilimb@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>Hi Stephen,
>>I have not disputed the great innovation of the systems.
>>However I believ some people would feel offended to disclose their exams results just about to everyone at will. Its their right. Authentication is done by private/secret attribute which is exclusively known by someone. An index number is not that private. As long as I know the school UNEB registration number, or if I do some form of social engineering. I would be able to have all the results of students in that school. So an Index number cannot provide required privacy authentication. Index numbers are public information. However results should not overly be public information.
>>My worry is though, if privacy of information is taken serious what about organistaion with confidentails information come up such systems that do not preserve the CIAA of information. What will happen to our records.
>>I still think some form authentication should have been included eg family name "Abili", of the student as part of the pull message. Unless you know the name and Index number of the student you would not be able to access that student results. Thus reducing the Risk of Exposure of such Information.
>>Its most likely that if I know the last name of student, I am related to that student or I some how know him. Then if I take the touble to get his Index number then surely I know him to well to get his results. by virtual of that I am authorised to access his results.
>>Its about time we started designing systems with secuirty embedded in it.
>>Regards
>>Moses
>>
>>
>>
>>On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Stephen Kasoma <skasoma@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>This is truly a great step a head. Billy, I doubt if the PLE exams results are that private to call for authentication. However, there is still some level of authentication at the moment and this is the pupil's index number.If you do not know it, you won't get right corresponding results (correct if I am wrong)
>>>Stephen.
>>>
>>>
>>>On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Billy Moses <abilimb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Hi Douglas,
>>>>I wonder what is the policy on Privacy of Information in Uganda.
>>>>How private should Examination results be. I believe with enough airtimeand time I can see each and every ones results from my phone.
>>>>Shouldnt the system have some form authentication to prove right this an authorised person to access these results.
>>>>At this rate I see others companies coming in with related systems say medical information, or Pension funds, Banks etc
>>>>What are your thoughts
>>>>Regards
>>>>Moses
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Douglas A. Musunga <douggiez@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Am wondering if the person that designed the application for receiving PLE Resultsion phone is on this Forum.Though it is mainly useful at a particular time of the year i think its a great innovation. So to Who ever came up with the Concept Kudos To you.
>>>>>people are s6 excited about the the whole concept, many were pessimistic about it but it has turned out great. Back in the day when we did our PLE if you wanted to know your results fast, you had to know some one in UNEB and that is now History.
>>>>>
>>>>>Douglas A. Musunga
>>>>>Parliamentary Scorecard Data Team
>>>>>Africa Leadership Institute
>>>>>Plot 7, Naguru Hill
>>>>>Naguru Summit View Road..
>>>>>
>>>>>Tel:  +256782637950  +256782637950
>>>>>
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>>>>>
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posted 20 January 2010 by Samuel Besweri from email

Everyone venturing into a project (Including Kenya's Examination Board)does this, but speculations do not just materialize as reality in the end - if for no other reason, then just to give  Murphy's law the satisfaction of  ...."I told you so".

That is why i am more interested in knowing how their plan played out

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Subject: [i-network] PLE Results Application
To: "I-Network Uganda" <i-network@dgroups.org>
Date: Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 1:20 PM

Douglas,
I see the point you are making. however Sms Media before venturing into the
whole process should have had a vision of what they intended to do - which
includes realising the fact that they would be delivering to thousands of users
the service. I am hoping they did that - by putting in place the right systems
with the ability to deliver what they envisioned.
I also tried to get data from teh Uneb site and saw the same fat guy. However i
think the Sms Media guys had access to acurate data from Uneb.

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posted 20 January 2010 by Douglas Onyango from email

We have been a lacking a system to quickly verify students results - we have
seen lots of forgeries. You will find that in any institution 30% of thier
staff have forged results/papers at some stage. I think results should
never be confidential .. What we should be worried of is the integrity of
the results/system.


On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 11:11 AM, Douglas Onyango <ondouglas@yahoo.com>wrote:

> While the privacy debate rages on, permit me bring new perspective to the
> discussion.
>
> I am curious on the loads that this nice offering has brought to the
> content provider's systems and how they are fairing with it.
>
> In Kenya where a similar system was launched, there were issues where large
> SMS quantities rendered the service inaccessible for several hours and in
> some instances people never got replies even after the premium rated
> deduction of their credit.
>
> I thought i would bring the debate with some data which i thought i would
> get from the UNEB site; unfortunately i couldn't even find the number of
> pupils who sat the exam and instead, there was a fat guy filling up my
> screen mbu "in charge of Primary education"
>
>
> Regards,
> Douglas Onyango +256(0712)981329
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posted 20 January 2010 by Johnson Mwebaze from email

I personally think this was a great Idea, and the general public can now
clearly and immediately see the impact ICTs can have on their lives. As well
as being able to view one's water bill, by just sending an SMS this is
another great idea. Kudos to UNEB and all the other stake holders. Some of
the other great innovations that really excited me in the past, include
Zain's One network and recently Warid's Pakalast. We need more of these
innovations and creativity in service delivery. Way to go!!



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From: Douglas A. Musunga [mailto:douggiez@yahoo.com]
Sent: 20 January 2010 11:22
To: I-Network Uganda
Subject: [i-network] PLE Results Application




Am wondering if the person that designed the application for receiving PLE
Resultsion phone is on this Forum.Though it is mainly useful at a particular
time of the year i think its a great innovation. So to Who ever came up with
the Concept Kudos To you.
people are s6 excited about the the whole concept, many were pessimistic
about it but it has turned out great. Back in the day when we did our PLE if
you wanted to know your results fast, you had to know some one in UNEB and
that is now History.

Douglas A. Musunga
Parliamentary Scorecard Data Team
Africa Leadership Institute
Plot 7, Naguru Hill
Naguru Summit View Road.

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posted 20 January 2010 by Thomas Bbosa , CISSP from email

Well, while this could sound as time saving to some some people, there are some factors that we must consider, forexample; The right to privacy and confidentiality which are more likely to be abused. I don't think this will be effective at all.
 
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--- On Wed, 1/20/10, Natalie Kimbugwe <nkimbugwe@bdeconsults.com> wrote:


From: Natalie Kimbugwe <nkimbugwe@bdeconsults.com>
Subject: [i-network] PLE Results Application
To: "I-Network Uganda" <i-network@dgroups.org>
Date: Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 10:41 AM


True, that is some good innovation! not only did you have to know someone in UNEB but probably bribe someone and it would take you probably a week to get your results, that is if you are lucky,

This is the way to go, hope we can do the same in other sectors! bribery would disappear in a flash!

Natalie


On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Douglas A. Musunga <douggiez@yahoo.com> wrote:





Am wondering if the person that designed the application for receiving PLE Resultsion phone is on this Forum.Though it is mainly useful at a particular time of the year i think its a great innovation. So to Who ever came up with the Concept Kudos To you.
people are s6 excited about the the whole concept, many were pessimistic about it but it has turned out great. Back in the day when we did our PLE if you wanted to know your results fast, you had to know some one in UNEB and that is now History.

Douglas A. Musunga
Parliamentary Scorecard Data Team
Africa Leadership Institute
Plot 7, Naguru Hill
Naguru Summit View Road.

Tel:

posted 20 January 2010 by geoffrey kaweesa from email

Hurray to SMS Media.

Results just an SMS away is truly amazing!!!
Reiner, another simpler option is texting PLE Index number to 6600
Well, as regards privacy- there has never been any concerning knowing one’s results as the schools pin them on the notice boards, others take it a step further publishing the results in the press so this should be no cause of shunning the innovation.

Come to think about it, it increases integrity to an extent- since I can text to get one’s results, then why lie about your grades?!

Carol P

posted 20 January 2010 by Carolyn Angom Patience from web

Hi all,

Billy's mail is typically Ugandan, once again. There a good nmber of
Ugandans many of whom are even n this list , that do not easily
appreciate innovation especially if they are not the ones to be credited
for it.

For those who are arguing about privacy. Let us look at what has been
happening for decades past. UNEB has always released results and parents
went through all kinds of trouble to go to the schools to find them or
to go to UNEB, etc. This cost them money and time. People did not
complain about the cost or the time. Further more, when schools received
the results they printed them out and displayed them on their notice
boards. Later some schools went ahead and published in Bukedde, Monitor,
Vision and Onion, the entire the same results for the whole nation to
read. Everybody and anybody was able to read them and no parent and no
one complained about violation of privacy or lack of authentication.

In comes SMS MEDIA with a phone based application that saves time and
money and allows parents to view their results in the comfort of their
sitting room soon after the results are released and now we have issues.
It is expensive, it breaches our privacy, it is not sexy, someone should
know the candidate's clan name, blah, blah, blah.

What on earth is wrong with Ugandans? Let us be simplistic for a change;
why do I want to know Billy's son's results if I am not related to him?
Why do I want to spend my Ugx 500.- to find out this information? What
do I gain by this. Is this SMS info I get enough for me to swap pass
slips and pretend Billy's son is my son or is it simply that Billy whose
son failed does not want the world to know? Is that the problem or is it
simply the knowledge that now we cannot lie about our results the way we
used to do before? Is it a problem of our distrust of electronic media?

Honestly, I do not get it. I do not understand this Ugandan way of doing
things. Why is it so difficult for us to see if the pros outwiegh the
cons? or dont we ever want to admit the positives?

Uganda never ceases to amaze me!!! Personally I think it is a great way
to go and the cost is reasonable, even for WARID where they charge Ugx.
600. Let us learn to be positive.

Cheers


Chris



On Wed, 2010-01-20 at 10:41 +0100, Billy Moses wrote:
> Hi Stephen,
>
> I have not disputed the great innovation of the systems.
>
> However I believ some people would feel offended to disclose their
> exams results just about to everyone at will. Its their right.
> Authentication is done by private/secret attribute which is
> exclusively known by someone. An index number is not that private. As
> long as I know the school UNEB registration number, or if I do some
> form of social engineering. I would be able to have all the results of
> students in that school. So an Index number cannot provide required
> privacy authentication. Index numbers are public information. However
> results should not overly be public information.
>
> My worry is though, if privacy of information is taken serious what
> about organistaion with confidentails information come up such systems
> that do not preserve the CIAA of information. What will happen to our
> records.
>
> I still think some form authentication should have been included eg
> family name "Abili", of the student as part of the pull message.
> Unless you know the name and Index number of the student you would not
> be able to access that student results. Thus reducing the Risk of
> Exposure of such Information.
>
> Its most likely that if I know the last name of student, I am related
> to that student or I some how know him. Then if I take the touble to
> get his Index number then surely I know him to well to get his
> results. by virtual of that I am authorised to access his results.
>
> Its about time we started designing systems with secuirty embedded in
> it.
>
> Regards
> Moses
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Stephen Kasoma <skasoma@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> This is truly a great step a head. Billy, I doubt if the PLE
> exams results are that private to call for authentication.
> However, there is still some level of authentication at the
> moment and this is the pupil's index number.If you do not know
> it, you won't get right corresponding results (correct if I am
> wrong)
> Stephen.
>
> On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Billy Moses
> <abilimb@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Douglas,
>
> I wonder what is the policy on Privacy of Information
> in Uganda.
>
> How private should Examination results be. I believe
> with enough airtimeand time I can see each and every
> ones results from my phone.
>
> Shouldnt the system have some form authentication to
> prove right this an authorised person to access these
> results.
>
> At this rate I see others companies coming in with
> related systems say medical information, or Pension
> funds, Banks etc
>
> What are your thoughts
>
> Regards
> Moses
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Douglas A. Musunga
> <douggiez@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Am wondering if the person that designed the
> application for receiving PLE Resultsion phone
> is on this Forum.Though it is mainly useful at
> a particular time of the year i think its a
> great innovation. So to Who ever came up with
> the Concept Kudos To you.
> people are s6 excited about the the whole
> concept, many were pessimistic about it but it
> has turned out great. Back in the day when we
>